I have to go today to so I can hand in my appeal letter. What I do is print of Blonde's review of the watchtower and read it during the meeting for a laugh, it always helps pass the time a little faster. Dear Dan, You crack me up!!! I wonder if anyone has ever peeked over your shoulder!! LOLOLO Let us know how it went at meeting. L.L.
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I am heading to meeting........
by UNCLEAR inplease pray for me!!
i don't want to go but i must because my husband has to make a good showing, hey i think i will make a gorcery list and write a letter.
i still don't know if being on the board is the right thing in jehovah's eyes, but i do appreciate the opportunity to learn about the organization and it will be my first time back to meeting after doing quite a bit of research....hmmm we will see.
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I am heading to meeting........
by UNCLEAR inplease pray for me!!
i don't want to go but i must because my husband has to make a good showing, hey i think i will make a gorcery list and write a letter.
i still don't know if being on the board is the right thing in jehovah's eyes, but i do appreciate the opportunity to learn about the organization and it will be my first time back to meeting after doing quite a bit of research....hmmm we will see.
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Dear Unclear,
Our thoughts are with you!! And so are our prayers! Let us know how it went.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
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JC ON TAPE
by SickofLies inhttp://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
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Then I think it should be forwarded to the media along with a copy of the custody brochure, perhaps the audio tapes that clearly spell out their directive on choosing education or the society...and just anything else that can be found that clearly implicates them in lying.
Dear Sammie,
I AGREE!! I wonder what that lady who is going after the Society for the Tort of Misrepresentaion would think of these misquotes. Wouldn't you think that a court of law would see a pattern of misquoting others if she showed this to the courts along with the misquotes on blood??
L.L.
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Chart of Seventy Years for Babylon
by Lady Liberty ini just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the bible as well as the book entitled assyrian & babylonian chronicles by a.k.
(nabonidus chronicle 7- bm35382).
25: 12 ( nabonidus chronicle: chronicle 7-bm 36304).
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Awesome Elsewhere,
Thanks for that post. Its too bad we can't gather all this info and put it under on heading in the "Best of Section" so that if anyone deeds this kind of info. its easy to retrieve.
Sincerely,
L.L.
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Chart of Seventy Years for Babylon
by Lady Liberty ini just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the bible as well as the book entitled assyrian & babylonian chronicles by a.k.
(nabonidus chronicle 7- bm35382).
25: 12 ( nabonidus chronicle: chronicle 7-bm 36304).
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can you please scan the info. and put it up or PM us (freedomlover or ithinkisee) and my hubby can host it for you.
Yes, I plan on tackeling that today. I am so glad you guys will be able to use this stuff. If you found this useful, check out my post on page 5 of Sickoflies post on JC Tapes. I have quite ALOT more info. showing the direct misquotes. I can PM anyone who wants it.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
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JC ON TAPE
by SickofLies inhttp://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
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I get confused with the 70 years thing, I know it can be explained but I cant remember how.Dear Vitty,
Here it is, I just made this for my brother-in-law. Hope it helps.
Seventy Years for Babylon: 609 to 539 BCE
609- Nabopolassars 17 th reignal year. Babylon was dominating all surrounding nations. See Jer. 25:11, 25:17- 26. 27:6-8, 12-13(All the nations will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years.) The 70 years begin. ( Babylonian Chronicle 3- BM 21901)
607- Nabopolassars 19 th reignal year. Nebuchadnessar was not even in power yet! He was only a crowned prince at this time. (Babylonian Chronicle 4 –BM 22047)
605- Nabopolassars 21 st reignal year. Battle of Carchemish , between Egypt and Babylon. Nabopolassar dies and Nebuchadnezar accends the thrown. This is year 0 for Nebuchadnezzars reign. Daniel finds himself exiled to Babylon, as well as the Royal offspring of Jerusalem, the utensils of the house of Jehovah were carried to Babylon. See Daniel 1- 2:1. Jer. 29:1,20 (Babylonian Chronicle 5- BM 21946)
603- Nebuchadnezzars second reignal year. See. Dan. 2:1
586/587- Jerusalem burned. Nebuchadnessars ninteenth reignal year. See Jer. 52:12-16 (There were still lowly ones left remaining in the city.)
562-End of Nebuchadnezzars reign.
557-Neriglissars third reignal year. ( Chronicle 6 –BM 25124)
556- Nabonidus becomes King. (Nabonidus Chronicle 7- BM35382)
539- 70 are fullfilled. Nabonidus is King of Babylon at this time. Cyrus overtakes Babylon in one night. Handwriting on the wall. Jews released from servitude. See- Dan. 5:25-26 Jer. 25: 12 ( Nabonidus Chronicle: Chronicle 7-BM 36304)
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Chart of Seventy Years for Babylon
by Lady Liberty ini just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the bible as well as the book entitled assyrian & babylonian chronicles by a.k.
(nabonidus chronicle 7- bm35382).
25: 12 ( nabonidus chronicle: chronicle 7-bm 36304).
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Lady Liberty
Hi everyone,
I just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the Bible as well as the book entitled Assyrian & Babylonian Chronicles by A.K. Grayson printed in 1975. Grayson is a world renound expert used to decipher the Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles for the British Museum. I checked out this book from the local library. Although they had to send away to a College University for it. A interesting note: the Society uses this very book in the Insight Vol.2 under Nebuchadnezzar to support their dates. When I got this book, it was for the purpose of checking their dates and quotes of this author. As you will see by this chart, they have misquoted him to serve their own deceitful purpose! I included scriptures that support the chronicles. Like I said, I made this for my brother-in-law, but thought someone out there might be able to use it.
Have a great night!
Lady Liberty
The Seventy Years: 609 to 539 BCE
609- Nabopolassars 17 th reignal year. Babylon was dominating all surrounding nations. See Jer. 25:11, 25:17- 26. 27:6-8, 12-13(All the nations will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years.) The 70 years begin. ( Babylonian Chronicle 3- BM 21901)
607- Nabopolassars 19 th reignal year. Nebuchadnessar was not even in power yet! He was only a crowned prince at this time. (Babylonian Chronicle 4 –BM 22047)
605- Nabopolassars 21 st reignal year. Battle of Carchemish , between Egypt and Babylon. Nabopolassar dies and Nebuchadnezar accends the thrown. This is year 0 for Nebuchadnezzars reign. Daniel finds himself exiled to Babylon, as well as the Royal offspring of Jerusalem, the utensils of the house of Jehovah were carried to Babylon. See Daniel 1- 2:1. Jer. 29:1,20 (Babylonian Chronicle 5- BM 21946)
603- Nebuchadnezzars second reignal year. See. Dan. 2:1
586/587- Jerusalem burned. Nebuchadnessars ninteenth reignal year. See Jer. 52:12-16 (There were still lowly ones left remaining in the city.)
562-End of Nebuchadnezzars reign.
557-Neriglissars third reignal year. ( Chronicle 6 –BM 25124)
556- Nabonidus becomes King. (Nabonidus Chronicle 7- BM35382)
539- 70 are fullfilled. Nabonidus is King of Babylon at this time. Cyrus overtakes Babylon in one night. Handwriting on the wall. Jews released from servitude. See- Dan. 5:25-26 Jer. 25: 12 ( Nabonidus Chronicle: Chronicle 7-BM 36304)
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JC ON TAPE
by SickofLies inhttp://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
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Insight book: "Babylonian chronicle that tells of Nebuchadnezzar’s capturing Jerusalem, seizing the king, and appointing one of his own choice; 617 B.C.E" OK .....EVERYONE!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!! Note the above statement that KW13 posted!! I am going to copy and paste straight off the cd rom from the Insight book three specific areas. One is talking about the above mentioned 617, and the other is the date 624 and then 625. Both are taken from a expert that the British Museum notes on their website. A.K. Grayson. who wrote Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles in 1975 . I HAVE THE BOOK!!!! Recently my Father noticed the Insight quoting from this expert, giving dates that seemed all off. Not in harmony with the Brittish Museum. He wondered what the pages they quoted really said. So.. I decided to try and get my hands on a copy to double check it like I do EVERYTHING!! Well to order it costs about $70.00 for the book. I called the local library. They didn't have it but could order it from a University nearby. (Dan you may have it at school in the library!!) Anyhow, two weeks later, I had the book. " My oh my!! What have we here?", I thought. The Society has OUT and OUT LIED ONCE AGAIN!!!! The Insight book states the battle of Carchemish took place in 625, (see pg.480 Insight Vol.#2) However, the actual commentary in the book they go on to quote from says it was in 605... NOTE: The 20 years in question!! OK.. now they go onto say, "in 624 BCE he took the vast booty to Babylon." Quoting from the book by A.K. Grayson on pg. 100. Guess what.. on page 100 it does NOT give a date AT ALL!! The Society has inserted THEIR date to be 624 in the Insight book. Notice the brackets around the date?? You see in Graysons book it shows photos of the actual cuniform tablets, and then gives a word for word break down as to what is written on each tablet. And in the commentary under Chronicle 5 it shows 605!!! Then the Insight book continues to say Nebuchadnezzars seventh reignal year was 617 BCE. (once AGAIN in quotes), but the actual word for word off the tablet does NOT give a date!! In the commentary though, it says something different. It says 616-609 BCE was Nabopolassars Tenth to Seventeenth year! So 617 was NOT Nebuchadnezzars seventh reignal year!!!!!!! He wasn't even in power yet!!!! The Society is DELIBERATLY being deceptive in misquoting this expert to support their own dates! How many of us have seen brackets around dates like this before?? I know I have MANY times!! It has been my experience that anytime you see brackets, or( ..........) BEWARE!! You are about to be fed a line of B.S.!! I have checked out this book and renewed it hoping that the Elders will come back before its due AGAIN! I cannot wait to share this with them when they come back!! That is IF they ever do!! It has been over 2 months!! I don't have a scanner here. But at the office I do. My husband and I will try to get it scaned tomorow so I can post it for all who wish to put this in their arsinol!!!! Sincerely, Lady Liberty Here is the copy and paste from the Insight book under Nebuchadnezzar Volume #2 pg. 480:
Historical notices in cuneiform inscriptions presently available about Nebuchadnezzar somewhat supplement the Bible record. They state that it was in the 19th year of Nabopolassar’s reign that he assembled his army, as did his son Nebuchadnezzar, then crown prince. Both armies evidently functioned independently, and after Nabopolassar went back to Babylon within a month’s time, Nebuchadnezzar successfully warred in mountainous territory, later returning to Babylon with much spoil. During the 21st year of Nabopolassar’s reign, Nebuchadnezzar marched with the Babylonian army to Carchemish, there to fight against the Egyptians. He led his forces to victory. This took place in the fourth year of Judean King Jehoiakim (625 B.C.E.).—Jer 46:2.
The inscriptions further show that news of his father’s death brought Nebuchadnezzar back to Babylon, and on the first of Elul (August-September), he ascended the throne. In this his accession year he returned to Hattu, and "in the month Shebat [January-February, 624 B.C.E.] he took the vast booty of Hattu to Babylon." (Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, by A. K. Grayson, 1975, p. 100) In 624 B.C.E., in the first official year of his kingship, Nebuchadnezzar again led his forces through Hattu; he captured and sacked the Philistine city of Ashkelon. (See ASHKELON.) During his second, third, and fourth years as king he conducted additional campaigns in Hattu, and evidently in the fourth year he made Judean King Jehoiakim his vassal. (2Ki 24:1) Also, in the fourth year Nebuchadnezzar led his forces to Egypt, and in the ensuing conflict both sides sustained heavy losses.
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of Jerusalem. Later, the rebellion of Judean King Jehoiakim against Nebuchadnezzar evidently resulted in a siege being laid against Jerusalem by the Babylonians. It appears that during this siege Jehoiakim died and his son Jehoiachin ascended the throne of Judah. But a mere three months and ten days thereafter the reign of the new king ended when Jehoiachin surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar (in the month of Adar [February-March] during Nebuchadnezzar’s seventh regnal year [ending in Nisan 617 B.C.E.], according to the Babylonian Chronicles). A cuneiform inscription (British Museum 21946) states: "The seventh year: In the month Kislev the king of Akkad mustered his army and marched to Hattu. He encamped against the city of Judah and on the second day of the month Adar he captured the city (and) seized (its) king [Jehoiachin]. A king of his own choice [Zedekiah] he appointed in the city (and) taking the vast tribute he brought it into Babylon." (Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, by A. K. Grayson, 1975, p. 102; PICTURE, Vol. 2, p. 326) Along wih -
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Looking for some guidance from those who have been there!
by disowned&alone ini was so excited to come upon this website today!
it's so nice to read logical, educated voices who have been brave enough to walk away from this organization.
i was raised a jw, and every person that i personally know that has left has ended up miserable.
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Dear Disowned & Alone,
Welcome!! We are so glad to have you here!! As already stated, "You are not alone here!! " We all have different stories, it is true, but one thing is common, we care about each other. And we look to each other for support. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to have your own parents literally throw you out like that! You apparently have been thru ALOT! Do your parents speak to you at all? Ever?? You will find ones here who are living with that same kind of pain. Don't give up on them though. Maybe oneday their hearts will soften. Until then, like we tell all newcomers," WELCOME and we look forward to hearing more posts fom you."
Sincerely,
Your friend,
Lady Liberty
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JC ON TAPE
by SickofLies inhttp://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
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Hi Dan,
Say, you really want to see their heads spin in the appeal meeting?? Pit the Societys references that support the lengths of the Kings reigns, which when added together show 586/587 , against the Kingdom Come Appendix that supports 607! You could just print this up and hand it to them. They have to know that one question of this magnitude, that doesn't add up, HAS to lead to hundreds more!! Also, I was thinking about it..I bet one reason why that Anointed Elder got so angry was that if 607 is false, you don't have 1914. If you don't have 1914, then he isn't really appointed by God! You take all the wind out of his sails!! No power!! No control. And no domination!! Another thing I was thinking about is how many times my in-laws said, "Just ask the Elders!!". I refused, and refused. Over and over my reply to them was, "You CANNOT ask the Elders!! Because if they know you have doubts, and you don't accept what they show you to be the answer from the publications, then you will be disfellowshipped!" They scoffed and scoffed! But your case just goes to show you, that you called "ELDERS!!!" Not publishers. You wanted answers! But, like I have seen many times before,you CANNOT have questions! Especially if you have been raised in the organization like we have! That was one of the biggest "Red Flags" for me, was that you cannot have questions!! My sisters, (Mrs. Congeniality) father-in-law, who is the PO in another hall told them, "You cannot get disfellowshipped for having a question! Now if you have LOTS of questions then THAT creates a problem!" Go figure! Resting on that one question is almost all the Doctorines that make the JW religion different then all the rest!! Do they realize this?? YOU BET THEY DO!! That is the very reason why you CANNOT ask them!! Unless, you are willing to accept what ever explanation they give, regardless if it adds up or not! Anyhow.. I'm glad your in such good spirits!! I hope we take it as well as you did. I won't go down without a fight! I too, am going to hold their feet to the fire on this one!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty